The only ones who're to blame are the people who voted for The Mittani. Thus, I'm not to blame for any of the stupid things he said at the Fanfest. Why would I be to blame for a griefer's stupid remarks at a gaming-event, when I didn't ever want him in charge of anything and actually voted for someone I believe might be competent?

Yes and he has undone all his hard work, singlehandedly, by bringing negative publicity to EVE Online from various reputable news media channels.

He has done more harm than good. It is time for him to go.

I agree that it should be straightforward. However, the Dust/Sony deal tremendously complicates things.

Is Sony going to want to be associated with a game (Eve) that is known for exceptional douchebaggery on a niche game like Dust? (Even though the Dust-Eve is pretty revolutionary.) Sony has already had more than a few well publicized black eyes, do they really want to risk getting linked to a cyberbullying story or a game that encourages smack talk, bullying, etc.? If you're familiar with the "deep pockets" legal concept, does Sony want to risk being dragged into a lawsuit over Eve douchebaggery? Is Sony going to use this incident as leverage to force CCP to renegotiate the terms of the deal? Is Sony going to require that CCP place content filters, moderators, and other safeguards in place that will either cost CCP a lot or will jeopardize the whole Dust-Eve interaction?

I think Mittani's off the cuff comment is going to have greater repercussions than anyone first realized.

From a PR perspective, people have laughed harder and longer at some of the things CCP has done to itself.
CCP has done more damage to CCP than Mittani will ever do with a grief job.
Sounds like theres no hard feelings between Mittani and Wis, Mittani apologized.

i read what mitani said about his apology,

i for 1 do not accept it. WHY?

1. you are a person in the position of power, but you acted like a terrorist.

Only because they didnt have a chance too cause people got on top of the issue FAST.

Its not about what did happen but what might have happened. Or might happen again if not dealt with.

He called for someones death. When will this sink in. Even if it was a joke, many might have taken it to the logical conclusion if we didnt notice what he did. Heck people might still go after the person in question. I dont use the persons name on purpose and i would think others would do the same. The goons are the ones spreading the person name left and right even now. Even worse you are using the persons character name in your posts. Have some sense please. I have counter points to your he is not upset that i wont repost because I dont want him brought into it.

Its not just about him its about the next player this might happen too. And the precedent that must be set by CCP.

Most everyone believes with good cause the goons and maybe other more malicious people would have followed through on it if not for the people calling for an investigation. Putting a full stop to what might have happened.

Think about that, most think you would have happily murdered someone. Then laughed about it.

Proud of being a goon still?

Scrolls through multiple threads......
Googles CCP investigates Cyberbullying ......


OH you were making a joke. I get it now.

Indeed, thanks.

Is EULA applicable to out-of-game interactions?

and because of that he can make drunk death threats? that he can de-value another persons life? what if he gets really drunk next fanfest and does some real mischief to a real person physically?

no way i will take that, PERMA ban for him !

[quote=esc shk]I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA Underhanded politics indeed[/quote I care not what happens to The Mittani. There is a much bigger issue here in my opinion. I'm certain you realize this and yet you choose to deflect and make this really about something its not. Some may be politically motivated however there are those among us who happen to see this affair as merely a symptom of a larger more disconcerting issue. Its the issue of a world cyber and otherwise unfettered by any code of moral decency where this action is applauded as some sort of standard of behavior In a meritocratic game like EVE you stand to benefit from the misfortune of others. This is a core property of the game and one in which I find uniquely appealing and all to rare in modern society. In order to truly win someone has to lose. However only a individual lacking in self control, and self respect would act as the Mittani did and perceive a benefit from it. Now you have to defend your guy, I get that, but all I would ask is that you take a good look at what you're defending before you make the statement that nobody got hurt The fact of the matter is, positive outcome aside, someone could have been. Just becuase I drive home from the bar drunk and manage to not kill anyone doesn't mean what I did was somehow less wrong becuase nobody got hurt The apology was a good start, but like The Mittani even mentioned actions are in fact greater than words. What I want to see is what he intends to do next. In my mind he brought attention to a serious issue in a flippant, arrogant, and insensitive way. I'd like to see him make amends for that. A simple I'm sorry and a little ISK is not action as far as I'm concerned Furthermore, even though I did not vote for the guy I do respect what he and the rest of CMS6 achieved for the betterment of the game. Its a shame that this had to happen and that its likely his influence within CCP has been voided by a few words. CCP has to and will protect its interests in this matter. To be frank some of the blame falls on CCP for having a Panel Session in which grand arrogant gestures are encouraged and the speakers are provided alcohol. It was only a matter of time before someone said something stupid. That by no means absolves The Mittani, but the set up did him no favors. When you appeal to the lowest common denominator that is likely what you will get.

The threat of violence still counts legally in most places mate.

This was a very clear Threat.

The simple fact is, this video will be tied in to google searches of Alex's name forever. If you were a technically savvy employer, would YOU hire this guy after seeing the video? A law firm will never hire him, except maybe out of pity to clean the toilets in the executive bathroom because they knew his dad once.

Yeah its the difference between manslaughter and Murder1/2. But someone is still dead.

I like how none of that is really relevant as to why what Alex dis is reprehensible.

What if it was a 12 year old.

there we have it ... a rich bully? is that what you are saying he is?

bravo ... all the more ... perma ban. i for 1 do not need a bad mannered rich elitists jerk that will impose strange suicidal ideas on the handicapped. PERMA BAN !

Nobody's dead you shitbeard.

I didn't say anything for a couple of days because I was so drunk :mittani:

i must say, he did turn CSM7 into a presentation of how elite he is in getting off other players tears, AND in the middle of it i believe he said something like "this is the CCP approved method of presentation" (being swearing, drinking beer and emphasizing how good it was to humiliate other players, etc). it becomes as if EVE is just a playerbase for him to "farm" tears off other players and then humiliate them at CSM7?... i wonder does he play DOTA, LoL, etc games and actually does the same thing like **** on the opponents heads when they lose? so if he is an athlete, he will finish a 100m race go over all his opponents n smear some of his ass on them? that a nice formula i believe CCP likes huh?

he also said he didnt know if that guy died because of what he did ... of course he went on to elaborate how "expertly" his men killed off his mackinaws. he said some kind of disclaimer, but the fact is, i do not think the crowd laughed very loudly at that because those who are really listening to the crap understood and kept themselves from laughing. and from the HD video, he also said he wasnt drunk enough for the presentation, so i wonder why he said he was drunk when he issued an apology. true enough the part about the suicidal player may have been a small part of the whole hour long speech which started well and ended up in the ceiling fan with streaks of **** on it... still if you listen at what he said about the man and how he jokes about it... i am very sure there is nothing to it about promoting good gaming culture, it promotes that you can demean another player in however style you want it, just because you are a goon (he calls the person who killed off all his macks a hero), it promotes that u can get drunk and get away with anything, you can swear it off in anyway, and because he is CSM7, he gets to break it out at fanfest and make it appear to be the coolest thing a CSM rep can do.

i agree with alot of the comments in the youtube/forums that he just threw **** at the fan dirtied himself and CCP and no amount of apology will make it right.

perma ban !

i see ... now GOD is in the equation ... in EVE ?

This isnt a joke or a game. A clear precedent must be set by this.

im sorry i do not understand your question ... maybe the way you phrased it was s... nvm ...

Funny how the critical spot became non working all the sudden. Aint it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI

1:12:00

seems maybe a bit more then half serious about calling for them to harass someone to a real life death.

even worse if you watch the presentation and then the Q&A back to back

of cos its not for pxxxxxx ...
he should man up and allow himself to be BANNED then ...
he did not really owned up or truly regret his actions, the miner guy was then set upon by the goons ...

aha thank you for pointing out that spot, so i did missed it ... so evidently he said

"incidently, if you want to make the guy kill himself, ... " bla bla bla toon name etc etc ... he seems very happy in telling other players to try taunting him to his death ...

ahem so that was the real HD video ...

SO? ... so what if i am autistic ... or i dont have queens english ... or i cant construct sentences?
but im pretty sure i know what "PERMA ban for mittani" means

the mittani openly asked players to try and get to this fella to "complete" his suicide
if someone DID succumb to his suggestion, what will happen?

i am only asking for a BAN in GAME for this person
if someone did succumb to my suggestion what will happen?

since you are insistent on asking me to stop posting, i wonder... who will you like to see succeed in the above ...

For one, he'd be in cuffs, charged with conspiracy to harass, general harassment, and inciting harassment, at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if the DA attempted to go after him for Man 2, but that'd be a stretch.

I'd ask you to elaborate. but history shows you'd prefer to leave your opinion as broad as possible. Doesn't matter, really, because you'll still be hoisted by your own petard.

anyway, i did submit a petition to CCP requesting for full player BAN for ALEX.

if you think the same as me, that alex shud be BANNED. i think you should officially petition it too.

so are you saying that mittani is right? about what he did at fanfest?

and that all the other 6 CSM should join him in his methodology of presentation?

he dosent have too. He was threatened with then end result of death.

His current or past mental stability actually dont have to come into play at all in this case. Nor does anyone's for that matter.

What was done is wrong irrespective of that.

Actually not knowing the mental state at all is more damning for anyone that would do what the mittani suggested.

i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode?

so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc).

it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ...

so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ...

The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.

in fact ... his presentation is mostly just to demean other players he has harrassed in game ... and it went into a bigger stage of harrassment at fanfest ... AMPLIFIED with video, audio, slides, audience, etc ! now how did it come to this stage that CCP set a stage for a player to do this?

cmon CCP, are you really going to let him off?

Cause it doesn't mean Red in French or anything..................

English centric thinking is so cute.

Because his name REALLY is the issue. I'm loving the massive attempts at misdirection and thread-hijacking that the Goonswarm is doing. Hey CCP, people keep making new threads you have to then lock and delete, because Goons keep derailing any attempt we make to discuss this. But then again, you've already stated how much you love the GSF, so why would we expect fair and equal treatment for our voice? I'm realizing that apathy might be a better course, since there can be no justice from nepotists. And before you Goons jump on me, I'm not an alt, and yeah I'm in a one man corp, but that's more to do with NPC tax rates and a desire to RP than anything else. Besides, y'all have made PVP not fun unless your flying anything less than a capital.
/flameonGoons

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot reading is such a difficult chore for you internet elitists. The TL;DR is there's no point crying about this, CCP will do what it will do, and I doubt anything bad will happen to the Goons they love so much. The argument about misdirection, well, that's already a dead horse, thanks to all you Goons proving my point via your posts (see: any).

Either The Mittani is banned under the EULA for "harrassment"...

or the EULA is meaningless. Choose CCP. You can't have it both ways.

Defending an alliance that openly laughs at your corp and only puts up with you for the rent is pretty pathetic imo.

Mr Epeen

TOS and CSM guidelines would like to have a word with you.

So no one has ever been banned for out of game actions?
If you give someone money out of game, for in game items, is that not a bannable offense?
Try not to display your ignorance before the entire forum, it makes your credibility sufer....

EXACTLY !!!! let me help this fine bloke here repeat this very nice sentence --->

" I'd just like to see more players in EvE online playing the same game I do. More targets to lock. But outbursts like this constrict the number of new players we could potentially house."

now who did you say you love? mittens? .... no mittens you ... do not love us (as you said u do presenting the stuff @ fanfest).... YOU only loved yourself, and i think it is not helping the GAME ... heck it might even be detrimental to your own cause in goons ... now it has become detrimental to CCP didnt it ? you might as well BUY over CCP and play it all by yourselves right?

but of cos ... not if CCP shoves a probable BAN on you first ... because it belongs to CCP

you should not have read it ... :p

this problem could have been avoided by not providing personal information.

The entire email post describe his real life situation that includes comment about suicide and the reasons behind it.

Irrelevant.

Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.

You could also argue that he was talking to the CSM Chairman at the time and considering his position didn't think he would then use it months later to further mock and humiliate him in front of thousands of people..

Mittani has already said he crossed a line that should not be crossed.